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Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
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Author:  So_CalXDSM [ Fri May 28, 2010 12:06 am ]
Post subject:  Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
I was searching on tuners about the 6 bolt swap.
I came across a post that said that by using a 96-98 Hyundai Elantra oil pump which is off the g4cs and g4cp block, i can use the 2g crank and cam sensors since it has the 2g crank sensor mount.
Anybody have advice on this?
Thanks.
Author:  DSM99 [ Fri May 28, 2010 12:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
Was that you that posted it up? I just read that on tuners.

Whether its a 96-98 Elantra or a 2g 7bolt oil pump, you will still use the crank/2g cam angle sensor. But the front case will need a good amont on custom machine work in order for that to work on the 6bolt block....anyways why buy a hyndai part when the 2g eclipse part will work? but why even do that when just getting a 6bolt oil pump/front case is an easier route.

The way i did it was 1g 6bolt oil pump/front case. So the machine shop doesn't need to modify it and you will eliminate the crank angle sensor. And switch your 2g cam sensor for a 1g cam angle sensor. RRE sells harness for this and i think you need to soder a wire or two.
Author:  So_CalXDSM [ Fri May 28, 2010 9:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
Yeah that was me.
The front case doesn't need any modifications at all?? I have a front case that I got along with the block but it needs machine work, one hole needs to be plugged up and several holes need to be drilled out bigger. Do I have a 7 bolt front case then?
Also by switching the cas is it still a mandatory thing to run dsmlink with it? What I have understood is that when I swap the 6 bolt I might get random misfiring codes and the car run like shit. But the EPROM/ link/tune is going to run me like $1k I'd have to wait like another half a year with the shitty ass job I have.
Author:  DSM99 [ Fri May 28, 2010 11:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
So you already have the Hyyndai front case then? Switching to a 1g CAS is NOT mandatory to run link. (I didn't) There have been reports of getting a CEL or random misfire under high boost but lucky I never got that. Also use a Black top CAS that will help you out with those problems. They are suppose to be less prone to that. DSMLINK does cost a pretty penny with an eprom ecu, tune and all that but believe me get that ASAP. It will make life a lot easier and your motor will appreciate it.
Author:  Wally [ Fri May 28, 2010 11:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
Author:  So_CalXDSM [ Fri May 28, 2010 3:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
Idk if the front case is from a Hyundai but i think it's a 7 bolt case since it's been maked by the previous owner for the machine work and seems like one hole has already been plugged. I'll post a pic if u guys don't know.
Will the engine need to be tuned right after the swap?
Author:  DSM99 [ Fri May 28, 2010 6:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
It doesn't HAVE too but it's strongly recomended to tune it whether your doing a engine swap or not. What are mods do you have and also what do you have to tune with?
Author:  clockworktoy [ Fri May 28, 2010 6:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
Let me answer a few questions the quick and dirty way:

1)Get the correct front case for your motor unless you want to spend a good chunk of change to machine the block/front case (ask jerry :lol: ) No one has done this in years because it is a waste of money.

2)1g cas can be used without link with the proper wiring.

3)any 1g cam sensor works, black one being the better sensor but any work.

4)no you won't "need" a tune, your dropping a stock motor with stock cams and lower compression not built longblock with crazy cams and high compression.

Aight, Peace
Author:  DSM99 [ Fri May 28, 2010 6:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
^^Umm I just said all of the above.
Author:  SOADweskey [ Fri May 28, 2010 6:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
But you didn't number your answers so Gus wins.
Author:  So_CalXDSM [ Fri May 28, 2010 8:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
^lmao.
Well to make things clear I'm doing a swap cuz my rings are gone and need to be replaced I really don't wanna gamble with crankwalk and won't risk rebuiling a 7 bolt. The 6 bolt that I picked up has been bored .20 over.
Gus mentioned not needing a tune if it doesn't have high compression. Doesn't bigger pistons raise the compression by a tad bit? And for Dsm99: currently it's bone stock with the exeption of k&n fipk kit 3" turbo back greddy hard pipes and greddy type s thats it. I'm not planning on making my car a drag queen or make significant numbers I just want a quick DD that will wake up once in a while. For future plans I'm only planning on upgrading to 14b and fmic. Since I am a student and have a pos fucken job I'm super tight with budget.
Thanks dsm99 for bearig with me, really appreciate it.
Author:  clockworktoy [ Fri May 28, 2010 9:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
Compression doesn't change when you bore over a block only displacement if its enough. Like i said you don't "need" a tune but its not a bad idea that is of course if you have some mods that you can take advantage of. Only real tuning needed to do that swap is set your base timing as the 1g cam sensor is adjustable.

And pollo im just giving a second opinion, you know how it is when your trying to figure out something you like to get lots of input.
Author:  DSM99 [ Fri May 28, 2010 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
Well im glad you had the same opinion as me squish face :hfive:
Author:  Illeagle [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
On the compression note. The 6bolt piston compression is 7.8:1 If anything you are even safer, given the lower compressions. And the change in displacement is 20cc's. But if you machine the block and head for flatness (as you should) displacement will drop back to square one anyways.
Author:  So_CalXDSM [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hyundai oil pump on 6 bolt?
I was planning on going with the 1g/2g piston/rod combo.
You mentioned "be safer" by having the lower 6 bolt 7.8:1 ratio.
Is there a dramatic power difference by having higher or lower compression?
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